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More on the war on terrorism

Karl-Henry Martinsson  |     |  Tags:  war_on_terrorism 911  |  Comments (2)

I just wrote my reflections on September 11. I then saw that System i Addict (David) wrote about Remembering 9/11 & forgetting the terrorist. I just want to point out a few things, which are not talked about that often here in the US.

* 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, also the home country of Osama Bin-Ladin. {link}

* Saudi Arabia got the name from the family Saud, who "unified" (annected) several regions into one kingdom in 1932. The country is an absolute monarchy, which in this case is an autocracy (pretty much the same as a dictatorship). The king is the supreme ruler.

* Saudi Arabia is using sharia law (same as the Talibans promoted), with public flogging, amputation of hands and feet as well as beheading as punishments. Recently a 19 year old woman was sentenced to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison for being gang-raped by 7 men. Her crime? Being in the company of a man not her husband or brother...

* Human rights organisations are very critical of Saudi Arabia. Not only are women not allowed to drive cars, but recently the political police forced teenage girls back into a burning dorm building, using whips, because the girls were not wearing veils and thus were not properly dressed... An unknown number of young girls died from that.

* In 2002, the United Nations Committee against Torture criticized Saudi Arabia over the amputations and floggings it carries out under the Shari'a. The Saudi delegation responded defending its legal traditions held since the inception of Islam in the region 1300 years ago and rejected "interference" in its legal system. {link}

* Talking about schools:

The study of Islam remains at the core of the Saudi educational system. The Islamic aspect of the Saudi national curriculum is examined in a recent report by Freedom House. The report found that in religious education classes (in any religious school), children are taught to deprecate other religions, in addition to other branches of Islam. {link}

and
Education in Saudi Arabia has never fully separated from its Islamic roots. All curricula must conform to the Islamic Sharia laws and the Qur'an, and traditional gender roles continue to shape educational opportunities available to females. The education of females has increased dramatically in recent years, from 25 percent of all students in 1970 to 47.5 percent in 2001. However, education is largely segregated by gender. There are six Universities which have both male and female sections out of the nation’s eight universities. Certain subjects are not available for women yet.{link}

* There are reports that up to 90% of the money funneled to muslim fundamentalists around the world comes from saudi princes/royalty. The principle is similar to in the old catholic church, that you can buy yourself salvation in the after life by doing "good deeds for God", e.g. building a church if you are a christian or a islamic school if you are muslim. You can also support holy warriors (Crusaders in the 12th century, mujahedin in the 21st century). Much of Saudi Arabia's aid has gone to poorer Islamic countries or Islamic communities in non-Islamic countries. This 'aid' has contributed to the spreading of a uniform and puritanical form of Islam, disregarding the needs and traditions of the different ethnic groups. {link} (Note: puritanical = fundamentalist)

* Saudi Arabia is the biggest foreign buyer of US military hardware. Their Air Force has the third largest number of F-15 fighters after the USAF and the Japanese Air Force. Wikipedia again: "In 2005, Saudi Arabia was the foremost purchaser of US armaments in the world, with over $1.1 billion in purchases."

* On October, 2001, The Wall Street Journal reported that Crown Prince Abdullah sent a critical letter to George W. Bush on August 29. He warned that Saudi Arabia was being put in an untenable position and reportedly wrote: "A time comes when peoples and nations part. We are at a crossroads. It is time for the United States and Saudi Arabia to look at their separate interests. Those governments that don't feel the pulse of their people and respond to it will suffer the fate of the Shah of Iran." {link}

It is interesting to hear comments like this: "Well, Saddam Hussein did not have any weapons of mass destruction, but he was an evil tyrant, oppressing his people. It was the right thing to invade to restore democracy and liberate the people of Iraq."

Using the same arguments, I think Saudi Arabia should been invaded long time ago and restored to democracy.


Comments

1 Ian W Randall      Permalink Karl,

I am risking getting flamed for this, but here goes...

I have visited the Middle East on many occasions over the last decade and while I don't claim to understand or defend some extreme aspects of sharia law, I do respect that each country and it's people has the right to practices it's own religious beliefs and to apply their own legal system as they see fit. I am sure that there are many aspects of the US legal system that many people would find just bazar, after all there are still places in the US where executing a witch remains on the legal statutes.

I seem to remember that the invasion of Iraq was originally justified by the Bush Administration from a fear that Iraq was developing or hoarding weapons of mass destruction and that the west was in imminent treat of this, but in the absence of any evidence of these weapons, some people have tried to justify the invasion of Iraq for other reasons. That's just the winners prerogative to rewrite history.

However, it appears to me that the sentiments expressed by the Crown Prince Abdullah in this case are not driven by those of an evil tyrant oppressing his own people but the sentiments of a political realist who is being pressured by many people in his own country to modify the Saudi Governments support for certain pro-west interests.

I am also sure that many in the West and Islamic countries see things as very black and white, but I feel that the reality is much greyer than some people will admit.

However from my visits to the region and through conversations with some very nice Saudi people as well as others living under shiria law, I feel that we still share more things in common than those beliefs that separate us. For the most part we all just want to be healthy, happy, prosperous and peaceful and we all want the best possible life for our family & children.

I agree that 9/11 is a time for reflection and that we should never forget, but do you really feel that stirring up antagonistic sentiments against Islamic beliefs and practices at this time is a step in the right direction?

2 Karl-Henry Martinsson      Permalink Ian,

I might not been clear in my posting. I am not trying to stirr up any antagonistic sentiments against islam or muslims. I am simply pointing out that the US invaded one contry (Iraq), first under the pretense there was WMD (despite all evidence to the contrary even before the invasion), then changing it to the pretense to liberate the country from a dictator. At the same time, th US support a country where things are as bad/undemocratic as in Iraq. This is an inconsistancy.

I hear many people here at work talking about how evil muslims are, and that it was right to invade Iraq, while they have no clue about Saudi Arabia. Mainly because CNN, Fox News and other US news source filter the news to fit the views of the government. As we all know, the Bush family have long standing business contacts with Saudi Arabia, and the US industry sell large amounts of goods to the country. That we also are relying on their oil is yet another reason not to piss them off...

I actually pointed out to a co-worked the other that the Quoran actually talk about Jesus, the virgin Mary (including the virgin birth) and other biblical figures. Actually, the virgin Mary is mentioned more times and in more detail than in the Quoran than in the Bible... She of course had no clue about that. Of course, she was a somewhat fundamentalist (southern) christian, and think that the catholics honoring virgin Mary is "praying to a false idol".

Also, from what I understand, the Quoran is preaching love and understanding the same way as the Bible, or even more. Then it is intepreted by priests/rulers to their advantage, just like christian fundamentalists twist the words of the Bible to their advantage/viewpoints.

Remember, if you can use the Bible to justify the crusades, of course you can use the Quoran to justify jihad today.

Another thing I actually noticed is that the people who are most fundamentalist when it comes to religion seems to know the least about the actual teachings of their religion?
Every time I talk to a fanatical christian person (one of those that believe that every word in a 2000 year old book, translated from language to language and rewritten several times by different kings/rulers to fit them, is the exact and true word of God), I find out that they in most cases never read the Bible. They just been told by a preacher/pastor his interpretation of the book, and they have no clue about other things, or what it actually says. Then, if you apply logic/common sense to the stories, it is easy to see that it is impossible in many cases. The excuse then is that "God did that, he can do anything". But their only "proof" is in that book and in their "faith". If reality does not conform to their faith, reality must be wrong...


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