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MWLUG 2015 Announcement
Thu, Jan 8th 2015 84
Installing Nginx Reverse Proxy on CentOS for Domino Our Experience
Mon, Sep 29th 2014 48
More Fun Creating Dojo widgets and MVC
Fri, Oct 3rd 2014 35
The Good, Bad, and Ugly about AMD in Dojo
Thu, Oct 2nd 2014 30
When The Human Community Saved the World - MWLUG 2014 - Part II - Announcing the MWLUG 2014 OGS Guest Speaker
Tue, Jul 29th 2014 29
What Does it Mean to me to be an IBM Champion
Mon, Dec 22nd 2014 28
Don't What it, Hitch It
Tue, Sep 30th 2014 27
Gotcha, Creating Dynamic Script Blocks Using SSJS
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Why an Ideal MVC Framework Fails
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MWLUG 2014 Article in Grand Rapids Business Journal
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Richard Moy
Blog Title Domino Interface
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MWLUG 2015 Announcement
Thu, Jan 8th 2015 4:14p   Richard Moy
The MWLUG team is please to announce MWLUG 2015, August 19-21, 2015 in Atlanta, Georgia. Go to the link to learn more. http://www.mwlug.comDomino Interface
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What Does it Mean to me to be an IBM Champion
Mon, Dec 22nd 2014 10:10a   Richard Moy
For the first time ever I was selected as an IBM Champion for 2015. I honored to be selected. I would like to thank everyone who nominated me and selected me. I have been given this honor but it is the ICS community that should accept the honor. Without our wonderful ICS community events like MWLUG can not happen. When Gregg Eldred and I started the MWLUG conferences, neither of us thought it would last this long. But it has been the wonderful community that includes not only IBM Business
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More Fun Creating Dojo widgets and MVC
Fri, Oct 3rd 2014 11:12a   Richard Moy
Here is another article in my "Fun with Dojo" series. Dojo traditionally has been considered slow. One reason is that Dojo loads alot of modules before it instantiates the page. Dojo with AMD helps reduce the number of modules when it first loads but not the number of modules. This is great. However, one thing that I really dislike are Dojo Dijit widgets. They are heavy, slow, and require a lot of modules to be loaded. We like the Bootstrap widgets because they are lightweight. So inste
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The Good, Bad, and Ugly about AMD in Dojo
Thu, Oct 2nd 2014 11:16a   Richard Moy
We were testing iPhora Touch 2 with the attendees of MWLUG 2014 in the MWLUG portal and as usual, the interface had issues even after having outside users provide feedback before we rolled it out. When you are so focused on the creation process it hard to see issues until it is seen by fresh pair of eyes. So we are working on a new faster and improved interface for iPhora Touch. This is the evolution of any product. Since we are using a JavaScript/JSON Restful API approach most of the changes
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Why an Ideal MVC Framework Fails
Wed, Oct 1st 2014 9:13a   Richard Moy
One of the "Next Big Things" these days is the use an MVC framework for developing Web applications. There are a number of MVC frameworks out there including Backbone, Ember, and the rapidly growing Angular. Ideally these MVC frameworks are great, hook things together and any changes to the model (data) and all the views are updated based on the controller code. If there is changes to the model, the data is automatically updated on the server. This is the ideal case. However, it assumes on
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Don't What it, Hitch It
Tue, Sep 30th 2014 10:13a   Richard Moy
Async callbacks and closures is an incredible thing about JavaScript. This is what makes environments like nodejs possible, a topic of many blogs to come. Many of the JavaScript frameworks like my favorite framework Dojo have the ability to deal with closures and callbacks. One of the issues that one needs to deal with is getting a handle to the current scope within a closure. We discussed this and how to deal with it in Dojo in a previous blog. http://dominointerface.blogspot.com/2014/03/
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Installing Nginx Reverse Proxy on CentOS for Domino Our Experience
Mon, Sep 29th 2014 12:12p   Richard Moy
Over the past few weeks there has been a significant number of discussions about Domino and the lack of SHA-2 support. Jesse Gallagher had an entire MWLUG 2014 session on this very topic. When I ask Jesse to present on this topic, unbeknownst to me what a hot topic this would become and so timely. First, IBM should have fixed these problems years ago. For us this is a critical issue that if not addressed will kill the market for Domino. Thanks to Jess efforts and contributions, there is a w
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Gotcha, Creating Dynamic Script Blocks Using SSJS
Thu, Sep 25th 2014 10:11a   Richard Moy
For our iPhora applications we only use one XPage and dynamically create the content that appears. We do this by storing the dynamic content in Notes Rich Text fields and using SSJS to read and generate the HTML/JavaScript during runtime. Since we are moving to an single page MVC model, we were adding a few addition xp:scriptBlock to generate the initial loader and pulling the information from a NotesRichText field. We were using doc.getFirstValueString('richtextfield') to pull and create
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MWLUG 2014 Article in Grand Rapids Business Journal
Tue, Aug 26th 2014 11:13a   Richard Moy
Great Article about MWLUG 2014 in the Grand Rapids Business Journal. Special thanks to Louise Burton for helping place the article. http://www.grbj.com/articles/80431-ww-ii-vet-headlines-downtown-lotus-conferenceDomino Interface
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MWLUG Is Heading South
Mon, Aug 25th 2014 8:12a   Richard Moy
With MWLUG 2014 just about to start in a couple of days, we will be announcing the host city for MWLUG 2015 on Friday at the closing session. So we have decided to head south for 2015. And yes it is a bit of a stretch in calling some of these towns being in the Midwest. Here are the potential host cities for MWLUG 2015. We would like to hear your input so fill out the survey. Atlanta, GACincinnati, OHColumbus, OHDayton, OHLouisville, KY https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PZGSND2Domino Interface
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IBM has Renovations Inc and MWLUG has Midwest Bicycle Incorporated
Thu, Aug 21st 2014 4:16p   Richard Moy
As many of us who have attended Lotusphere/IBMConnect/Connected know that IBM references a fictitious company for their demonstrations called Renovations Inc. We have a number of XPages with Java sessions and we wanted to apply the demos and designs to a company and cohesively tie the different sessions into how one company that was using XPages throughout their business. So we came up with Midwest Bicycle Incorporated. So as you attend these sessions you will learn how the Midwest Bicycle Inco
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Announcing the MWLUG Outreach Program Recipient for 2014 - Kid's Food Basket
Thu, Aug 21st 2014 10:12a   Richard Moy
As many of you know MWLUG is not just about building knowledge of IBM solutions and networking with our fellow ICS community members, it is about being part of the community. This is one of the reason we move MWLUG from city to city. It is about getting to know your local community whether it is in your town or a different town. Each year we have a fundraising drive for a local community organization in particular a local food bank. This year with the help of Devin Olson our boots on the gro
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Ask IBM Session at MWLUG 2014
Tue, Aug 19th 2014 3:14p   Richard Moy
In light of the recent conversations regarding SSL and SHA-2 support for Domino within the ICS community, the "Ask IBM" session will be a great session for IBM customers and partners to ask this and other critical questions to our IBM panel at MWLUG 2014. Below is the official description of the session. The session will be on Wednesday at 6:00 PM in the Imperial Room. Ask IBM - IGS101 Here is a session you want to attend!! This will be like attending GURUpalooza, Ask the Developers and Ask
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One Week Until MWLUG 2014 so Get Registered
Tue, Aug 19th 2014 11:13a   Richard Moy
We are one week away from the start of MWLUG 2014. There is still time to register for this one and only ICS user group conference in North America this year. This year we have 3 days of events and sessions. Take this opportunity to learn and network with all you ICS community members in person and be true to our MWLUG 2014 theme "Connecting the Human Community." Here are the highlights for this years conference. 44 sessions and workshops in 5 topics areas:Application DevelopmentBest Pract
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New Session at MWLUG 2014: Ask IBM
Fri, Aug 15th 2014 10:19a   Richard Moy
A new session has been added to an already packed MWLUG 2014. The new session is entitled "Ask IBM". If you are familiar with the "Ask a Product Manager" session at IBMConnect, you will know what this session is all about. The difference is that you are up and front of the IBM panel almost in a one to one conversation. This session is scheduled to be in the Imperial Room at 6:00 PM before the Exhibitor Showcase Reception that will be held in the Vandenberg Rooms. So coming and join us a
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What is Next in IBM Mail Next?
Thu, Aug 14th 2014 8:13a   Richard Moy
Scott Souder from IBM is coming again to MWLUG 2014 and will be following up on his last year's OGS keynote and presenting the latest news about IBM Mail Next. His presentation is: IBM Mail Next: Focus on Your Work, Not Your Inbox! Unlike many other trends, email is not going away. You know it, and IBM knows it, which is why IBM is revolutionizing the corporate inbox from the ground up for today's social and mobile workplace. Check out this session if you want to hear the details and see t
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MWLUG 2014 Keynote: IBM Collaboration Solutions - Vision and Strategy for Today and the Future
Wed, Aug 13th 2014 4:12p   Richard Moy
MWLUG 2014 is coming up in two weeks. Our IBM OGS Speaker is Kramer Reeves. He will be presenting the IBM's current and future vision of IBM Collaboration Solutions including my favorite platform, Domino. His presentation is entitled, "IBM Collaboration Solutions - Vision and Strategy for Today and the Future." So, if you want to know the future direction of IBM Collaboration and how it will impact your organization, it is important that you come to this session, OGS101. The Amway Grand P
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Guaranteed MWLUG 2014 Hotel Discount Expires Today August 11, 2014
Mon, Aug 11th 2014 10:12a   Richard Moy
The guaranteed MWLUG 2014 hotel discount rate of $129.00 for MWLUG 2014 attendees expires today, August 11, 2014. The hotel is normally over $200 per night. After today, if there are available rooms, the hotel may honor the rate but it is not guaranteed. If you are coming to MWLUG 2014 and register for the hotel after today and there are no more rooms at the discount rate, please contact me and I will see what I can do. But I prefer you register NOW!. http://mwlug.com/mwlug/mwlug2014.nsf/R
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Virgil Westdale Book Signing at MWLUG 2014
Thu, Aug 7th 2014 9:12a   Richard Moy
The MWLUG 2014 OGS Guess Speaker will be autographing copies of his books "Blue Skies and Thunder" after the OGS. He and his co-author, Stephanie A Gerdes will be on handle to sign their book. The cost of hardcover copies is $30 and for the paperback copy, $ 20. We ask if you would like them to autograph a copy that you donate $10 to our MWLUG 2014 Outreach Program designated Grand Rapids food bank. We will also be raffling off a few signed copies. The raffle donation will also be $10. A
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Three Weeks to MWLUG 2014, So Get Registered, Hotel Discount Expiring
Wed, Aug 6th 2014 10:12a   Richard Moy
We are three weeks away from MWLUG 2014 at the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel from August 27-29, 2014. The special hotel discount is expiring on August 11, 2014. I will attempt to extend that, but no guarantees. This is going to be the best MWLUG conference we have ever had. Here are some of the highlights for this year. Kramer Reeves OGS presentationGuest Speaker, World War II veteran, author, and inventor, Virgil WestdaleWednesday Gerald Ford Library and Museum TourThursday Social Event at Found
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Open Source Impact on the ICS Community
Thu, Jul 31st 2014 2:12p   Richard Moy
I am a big user of open source technologies including, Linux, Twitter Bootstrap, Dojo, and many other open source tools. Open source technology has had a huge impact on the ICS Community in general. We are fortunate enough to have a number of sessions this year at MWLUG 2014 that includes open source technology as part of their presentation. So come join us in these sessions. Open Source Technologies: Nginx, OpenSSL, Apache HTTP ServerLoad Balancing, Failover, and More With Nginx, Jesse Gallag
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When The Human Community Saved the World - MWLUG 2014 - Part II - Announcing the MWLUG 2014 OGS Guest Speaker
Tue, Jul 29th 2014 7:12a   Richard Moy
When The Human Community Saved the World - MWLUG 2014 - Part I Last year at MWLUG 2013 through the great efforts of Sam Bridegroom from Bridegroom Technologies, we able to have Iraq veteran and community spokesman Josh Bleill from the Indianapolis Colts to be our Opening General Session Guest Speaker. This year was a challenge. How can we duplicate the incredible presentation that Josh did in MWLUG 2013 and deliver to our ICS community similar expectations. We wanted to really capture the es
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When The Human Community Saved the World - MWLUG 2014 - Part I
Mon, Jul 28th 2014 12:12p   Richard Moy
Too often in our technology focused world we become no more than bits of data. We become less and less social and feel lost within our technology. Communities for Generation X, Y is all about Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and other social media. However, a community in the past was all about people and individuals. Technology is just a vehicle to connect individuals, no different than hundreds if not thousands of year ago when stories and our history was told by the bonfire. Our goal each year
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MWLUG 2014 Session Schedule is Now Online
Tue, Jul 22nd 2014 12:12p   Richard Moy
The session schedule for MWLUG 2014 is now online at the main mwlug.com site. I am looking forward to MWLUG 2014. We have a lot of great and unique sessions that you will not find elsewhere in the ICS community. http://mwlug.com/mwlug/mwlug2014.nsf/Schedule.xsp. So register as soon as you can, the special discount for the hotel rooms will be expiring in a couple of weeks. http://mwlug.com/mwlug/mwlug2014.nsf/Register.xspDomino Interface
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MWLUG 2014 Online Community Up and Running
Thu, Jul 17th 2014 10:12a   Richard Moy
The MWLUG 2014 Online Community is up and running. If you signed up as an attendee and opt-in to be part of the online community, you should have already registered and sent log-in credentials. We have two interesting conversations in the Attendees community that we would like you input. - Softlayer vs AWS - IBM Partnership with Apple So coming and be part of these two conversations and get a chance to influence whether we should have a session covering these two topics at MWLUG 2014. The f
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Announcing Platinum Sponsor the MWLUG 2014
Mon, Jul 14th 2014 1:12p   Richard Moy
I am please to announce that the Platinum Sponsor for MWLUG 2014 is IBM. This is the second year that IBM is supporting MWLUG as the Platinum Sponsor. I would like to thanks Kramer Reeves, Oliver Heinz, and Alysha LaFountain to make this possible. Making MWLUG possible requires the effort of everyone in the ICS community including IBM Staff, IBM customers, and IBM Business Partners. I am looking forward to MWLUG 2014 and making this the best MWLUG conference yet. Also, I would like to thank
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Announcing the MWLUG 2014 Thursday Social Event
Tue, Jul 8th 2014 1:14p   Richard Moy
Since Grand Rapids, Michigan is the Beer City USA, we thought it would be fitting to celebrate this at MWLUG 2014 with beer, wait we always do that. So in great lengths, we had to decide where we would have the MWLUG 2014 Thursday Social Event. It was a very hard decision to make. But we are please to announce that the MWLUG 2014 Thursday Social Event will be held at Founders Brewing in Grand Rapids, MI on Thursday, August 28, 2014 from 7:00 PM to 10:00 PM. So if you are attending MWLUG 201
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Announcing the MWLUG 2014 Sessions and Workshops
Wed, Jun 25th 2014 12:15p   Richard Moy
We are please to announce the MWLUG 2014 sessions and workshops. We have 43 sessions and workshops that will be presented starting from Wednesday, August 27, 2014 at 1:00 PM all the way to Friday 5:00 PM, August 29, 2014 with food and fun before in between and afterwards. This year we had the largest number submissions from IBM customers. Also, this year we had the largest number of submissions by potential speakers. Congratulations to all the speakers that had their submissions accepted an
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Preliminary Schedule for MWLUG 2014
Mon, Jun 23rd 2014 11:12a   Richard Moy
Since everyone keeps asking. Here is the preliminary schedule for MWLUG 2014. Wednesday August 27, 201410:00 AM to 12:00 PM - Optional Social Event 1:00 PM to 5:00 PM - Workshops and Sessions7:00 PM to 9:00 PM - Exhibitor Showcase Reception Thursday, August 28, 201408:00 AM to 09:00 AM - Breakfast09:00 AM to 11:00 AM - Opening General Session11:00 AM to 12:00 PM - Sessions12:00 PM to 01:00 PM - Lunch01:00 PM to 05:00 PM - Sessions07:00 PM to 10:00 PM - Thursday Social Event Friday, August 29,
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Announcing the MWLUG 2014 IBM Opening General Session Speaker
Thu, Jun 19th 2014 9:14a   Richard Moy
As we head towards MWLUG 2014 in August things are picking up steam and we are quickly moving forward in providing you one of the best ICS user group conference of this year. We have many things planned and a few surprises. If you miss this year's MWLUG, you will be missing something that you may never have a chance to experience again. So don't miss it. We will be announcing this the near future. The theme of MWLUG 2014 is "Connecting the Human Community" and this is what user group con
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Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 3 - Teaching an Old Dog To Do New Tricks
Mon, Jun 2nd 2014 12:15p   Richard Moy
Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 1 - Where Do We Begin? Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 2A - Experimentation Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 2B - Experimentation So now that we had all the tools and capabilities to create our social collaboration tool, what should be build? We wanted to build a SMB solution similar to IBM Connections or Yammer, a small business solution that utilized the power of enterp
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Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 2B - Experimentation
Fri, May 30th 2014 9:11a   Richard Moy
Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 1 - Where Do We Begin? Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 2A - Experimentation This is the second part of our experimentation portion of the series. In Part 2A, I talked about the different experiments that we did for creating web pages for our social collaboration applications and the design of the back-end database. In part 2B, I will be talking about the application structure and business process and
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MWLUG 2014 Abstract Submission Extended until Next Friday, May 23, at 5:00 PM
Wed, May 14th 2014 3:12p   Richard Moy
With the sad news of Tim passing away, many of us have not had the time to absorb what has happened. Given that, the MWLUG committee has decided to extend the abstract submission period for MWLUG 2014 until the end of next week, May 23. MWLUG was the first time that I met Tim in person. He was one of the first to volunteer as a speaker when we first started the MWLUG conferences. He will be sorely missed. Domino Interface
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Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform Part 2A - Experimentation
Mon, May 12th 2014 12:11p   Richard Moy
http://dominointerface.blogspot.com/2014/05/transforming-domino-into-social.html In my last blog, I described our desire to a create a community-based social collaboration platform designed to meet the needs of small and medium-sized organization. This post is the geeky part of this series. Only being naïve would one have taken on this journey. So the great experimentation began. So we wanted to transform Domino into a social collaboration platform. But what did that mean in the technical s
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Transforming Domino into a Social Collaboration Platform, Part 1 - Where Do We Begin?
Mon, May 5th 2014 11:12a   Richard Moy
It has been almost 20 years, since we have been involved the IBM collaboration space. We have built everything from training simulators, inventory management system, workflow and business process management tools, web site to CRM systems for customers using a variety of tools. We even built interactive kiosks for educating kids in a museum. Many years ago when Phora Group was still named Taishan Works, we starting developing an application framework on top of Domino to provide a uniform appli
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Registration for MWLUG 2014 is Now Open
Fri, May 2nd 2014 10:11a   Richard Moy
Registration for MWLUG 2014 is now open. To register for MWLUG 2014 go to: http://mwlug.com/mwlug/mwlug2014.nsf/Register.xsp As always almost all the cost is covered by our incredible sponsors. However, the MWLUG donation for MWLUG 2014 is slight higher than in the past due to the increased cost that we have been incurring over the past few years. We did not want to cut back on the MWLUG experience that many have expected. Therefore we have increase the donation from $35 to $50. So for a $50
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Abstraction Submission Now Open for MWLUG 2014 !!!
Wed, Apr 16th 2014 8:11a   Richard Moy
I am happy to announce that abstraction submission is now open for the MWLUG 2014 Conference. It will close on May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM. We have a limited number of speaking slots. The host city for our 6th MWLUG conference is Grand Rapids, Michigan at the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel from August 27 through August 29, 2014. Have knowledge that you would like to share with others? Always wanted to speak on a topic but have not been given the opportunity? Here is an opportunity for your to share
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MWLUG 2014 - What we bring and what we are
Tue, Apr 1st 2014 10:11a   Richard Moy
Each year we create a new theme for MWLUG and is always a challenge. But this year it was easy. I took a hard look of what is a LUG and what do we do. It is not just about the collaboration technology that we are so fond of, it is all about us. We get together to learn from each other, build relationships and friendships, and giving back to our community. We connect with each other, regardless of whether we are IBM customers, IBM Business Partners, or IBMers. So the theme for MWLUG 2014 is:
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Don't Get Disconnected with Connect
Mon, Mar 31st 2014 10:11a   Richard Moy
Here is another of my "My Experience in Building Dojo Widgets" post. Dojo.connect (dojo/on) is a versatile and important part of dojo that handle events. Along with dojo.subscribe and dojo.publish these three features of Dojo provide a powerful set of tools to query the DOM. Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Referencing my widget that I used in my last blog, I can connect this list widget using the following lines of code and create event responses accordingly. dojo
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When This is This and What is This, but What is not This, Dojo Event and Objects
Tue, Mar 25th 2014 10:10a   Richard Moy
In the past couple of years, I have been building Dojo Bootstrap widgets from stratch rather than using standard Dojo widgets and styling using a Bootstrap theme. Why in the world would you do that might you ask. Sometimes I also ask myself that question. There are many advantages, including adding security features that are not founded normally. Since we RESTFul JSON services, the widgets are optimized for our format. In addition, the widgets are automatically binded with the RESTFul JSON se
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Making Technical Support Easy with Correct Browser Detection including IE11
Thu, Feb 20th 2014 8:11a   Richard Moy
In an ideal web application world, all your users are using the same version of the same web browser. Unfortunately, this is not the case even in the corporate environment. One of the most painful things to do is trying to diagnose browser specific issues and trying to determine the version of the browser that the user has. Even if you tell your client that it is only guaranteed to work on a certain version, you still get someone using a different version. So instead of constantly contacting
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Domino <===> Scott Adams
Tue, Feb 11th 2014 10:10a   Richard Moy
Again this year, I did not attend IBMConnect. Last year it was for personal reasons, this year it did not make sense given the direction that I see IBMConnect heading towards. However, I really appreciated that IBM had a number of sessions live and recorded on Livestream for me to watch. What I really miss is not the sessions, but seeing the people within our community. But that is OK since I will most likely see them at ICON and MWLUG. And I always have Twitter. The most compelling session f
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Why attend LinuxFest at IBM Connect 2014
Fri, Jan 24th 2014 10:14a   Richard Moy
Thanks to Bill Malchisky, LinuxFest V is back at IBM Connect 2014. It will be held on Thursday, January 30, 2014 at 12:30 PM to 1:30 PM at the Dolphin - Oceanic 2. Though it is not an official session, this is one of the sessions that I have always attended at Lotusphere/IBM Connect in the past. There is no marketing BS, all technical knowledge from some of the best Linux experts in the IBM Community. And they tell you like it is. As a software architect, designer, and developer, it is very i
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The End of an Era
Mon, Jan 20th 2014 9:10a   Richard Moy
As some know we are celebrating our 23th anniversary as entrepreneurs this year. It has been full of highs and lows. One of most fun achievement that we had was in the first couple of years as ReCor. Now it is most standard corporate training with ReCor and social collaboration and BPM technology with Phora Group and our iPhora solutions. As one starts out, you try to determine your bearings. Usually reality hits and you throw out all the business plans and marketing stuff. So early on we




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