I was in a conversation the other evening about Pope BendyDick's recent repeated offer to the Anglican communions that should get get all annoyed, cross and fuming over the fact that someone who naturally has a uterus and no willy be made a bishop can come and be Catholics. Now the offer is open not only to Anglicans one at a time but aslo for full congregations including the priests, now this poses somewhat of a problem for those priests that are Anglican and are married.
Now the Guardian is a paper I seldom readm but it usually is reasonably up to speed on the idea of research however one of the people I was in conversation with made the comment when I brought up the problems of being married and a priest retorted that "Well I read it in the Guardian they could be married", She would not be swayed in her belief, something that is in the Guardian is to be believed more that the internal rules that govern the Catholic Church .. aka "Canon Law".
For all you Guardian readers out there who may have read that and are now defending the idea that the Catholic Church has done a U-Turn on this policy .. here are some facts the Guardian missed.
Up until 1139 all the clery could be married (Infact 39 popes where offically married). The Second Lateran council changed the rules. All existing priest marriages were declared invalid and future priests were required to maintain celibacy.
Celibacy as defined by the 2nd Lateran council is quite rigidly defined (in Latin) Priest are not allowed to be married or have sex with females, males, self, animals, etc... it makes an interesting and funny if it were not the document that sentenced the priesthood to centuries of misery really for no good reason other than they didnt like sex getting in the way.
The Church resists to this day married priests. For a priest to legally get married under canon law he must be granted a special dispensation to release him from the rule of celibacy, (in fact if a priest wants to have an offical period of "self love" he needs to have this permisson as well)
However the process to grant the dispensation and the actual wording of the dispensation are problematic. When applying for the dispensation a priest must put together a lot of paperwork. Part of the paperwork almost requires him to say that he never should have been ordained a priest in the first place.
The document that grants dispensation from celibacy is called "a rescript", and it includes wording that says the priest loses rights to
1. the clerical state
2. loses his office of priest
3. is no longer bound by the duties of the clerical state.
The priest is then allowed to marry under Church rules.
However, the rescript wording also includes a prohibition of exercising any sacred ministry. Thus the priest may not participate in a parish as a lector/reader, eucharistic minister, or any functions of a deacon or priest.
So, when Anglian priests decide to jump ship and are all ready married will all of them have to apply for and get the dispensation? Yes if they want to stay offically married then yes they do.
The canon law that applies is number 1394 which is
"Without prejudice to the provisions of can. 194, ß1, n. 3, a cleric who attempts marriage, even if only civilly, incurs a latae sententiae suspension. If, after warning, he has not reformed and continues to give scandal, he can be progressively punished by deprivations, or even by dismissal from the clerical state"
However there is a "get out" rule in Canon law 1335
"Provided it is not reserved to the Apostolic See (the Vatican), a penalty which is established by law and has been imposed or declared, can be remitted by the following:
Provided it is not reserved to the Apostolic See, a latae sententiae penalty established by law but not yet declared, can be remitted by the Ordinary in respect of his subjects and of those actually in his territory or of those who committed the offence in his territory. Moreover, any Bishop can do this, but only in the course of sacramental confession."
So basically as long as no-body says anything and the priest do not apply for permission to be married and the See does not declare or impose a "latae senentiae" then everything is fine, the priest remains as he was before, cept he is no longer lonely in bed.
Aint it grand to see the high-heejin-god-bothers being clever?
So in answer to the the lady who queried me on why i believed Anglican priests cannot remain married, No they can't if they want to follow the rules of the organisation they belong to, they will become "latae senentiae" if they do.
But if they want to just keep on going and ignore that particular rule then they can, but you do have to then question any stand they make on Abortion, Divorce etc etc etc, which are also against canon law.
Another case of "Do as I Say not as I do" from the men in the funny frocks!
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New family blog
Thu, Mar 11th 2010 3:24p Steve McDonagh Just a heads up.. I have started a new non-techie blog for the McDonagh Clan over at http://slightlydoolally.com br /
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My mother helps stop MSDS (Memory Stick Disappearnce Syndrome)
Mon, Mar 8th 2010 6:25a Steve McDonagh We have all been there.. we are in a meeting or are called to a colleagues PC and we feel we really really need to share some file with that user. So out comes the memory stick and into the other PC it goes .. and as soon as the file is copied your prized memory stick just disappears... poof ... gone.br /
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Is "a" Sandwich a category error and can mayonasie dribble be accurately measured
Sat, Mar 6th 2010 11:25a Steve McDonagh I was sat in a href="http://www.groundcoffee.net/pages/about.htm"Ground/a Having the usual excellent Chill, chicken, bacon, roast pepper, cheese and onion panini with a white chocolate Moccha no cream (Well i am on a diet) Now it was pointed out to me recently when you buy a panini you are actually doing nothing of the sort! You are noshing down on a PANINO for PANINI is the plural.br /
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Good Music , good company and craic in the nineties @ the Beflast songwriters festival
Fri, Mar 5th 2010 9:24p Steve McDonagh Having spend the last 10 weeks in the purgatory that is the post Christmas anticlimax I decided that a bit of fun was in order. So I booked SWMBO and myself into the a href="http://www.dukesatqueens.com/"Dukes Hotel/a in Belfast for the weekend of the a href="http://www.belfastnashville.com/"6th Annual Guinness Belfast Nashville Songwriters Festival/a now that might sound a little bit too country and western for my taste and yes there was some Camp;W but we managed to avoid it :-)br /
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If curling were easy it would be called Hockey
Mon, Mar 1st 2010 6:24p Steve McDonagh span class="goog-spellcheck-word"T'other/span span class="goog-spellcheck-word"nite/span I was chatting to span class="goog-spellcheck-word"Duffbert/span about the fine art of Curlingbr /
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ILUG 10 Preperations gathers pace ... poster ideas
Wed, Feb 24th 2010 6:23p Steve McDonagh The throb of antipication has moved from barely noticable into "shit itis only 9 months away" mode. 9 month's eh? I have time to get pregnant and give birth before the crowds of the faithful descend on Ireland for another round of ILUGy excitment.br /
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Access the clipboard in Javascript
Sun, Feb 14th 2010 9:24a Steve McDonagh Now here is a wee something I fell over the other day whislt trying to figure out a way of copy and pasting a text stream from a Turdcopy; document to a text area on a form. It would be really useful to grab the clipboard contents .. do some RegExp replaces on it and then import it into the text area.br /
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....and while I am at it, Ireland WTF?
Sun, Feb 14th 2010 8:23a Steve McDonagh ... ohh and while I am at the keyboard and logged on to the blog ...What the hell were Ireland thinking yesterday? Jeeze I mean to say what is the point of me getting all prepared with loads of beer and crisps and the other accoutrements of 6 Nations watcherdom and then you sent the under 13's instead of the real international team?br /
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Enthusions and Indifferons - The physics of not being arsed
Sun, Feb 14th 2010 8:23a Steve McDonagh It has been a while since I last sat at the keyboard to write a blog post of any kind and to be honest I think I reached the rubicon between "arsed" / "can't be arsed" and Julius Caesar like I marched resolutely in the territory "can't be arsed". Mind you instead of declaiming "ālea iacta est" (The die is cast) or something equally as memorable I think I may have sighed deeply and poured another cup of coffee.br /
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